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08 January, 2008

The Fallout

I made a huge mistake in my fight with William the other week. I involved my mother. Why did I do this? Normally, when William and I fight I keep it to myself. I never tell my mother and if I tell my friends it is afterwards, when things are calm and I can talk about it in a c'est la vie sort of way.

I think that in my head when the fight started I was like "If you want to do this again, mister, than I am going to tell the world." Because in my not so right head, I was thinking that if I told my mother we wouldn't get back together again, that this it, we are over. With having been so depressed throughout most of November and December I just really don't think I could handle his anger. And what better way to stop it than ending things permanently?

Which really sounds stupid. Thinking that if I told my mum I'd not want to get back with him. Hmmm... Anyway, I don't really want to get into all the details of the fight, since it is over and things are going quite good for the moment. Will that last? Well, it is William and I so probably not. Will I let him bother me over stupid things like the house again? No. I know what to say now.

I will say that William left and my mother came over. But before she arrived William came back. And when she got here, even though I asked her not to go at him, she did. When William is angry he swears. So he was swearing at my mum, she was saying the same things over and over and I was crying. Not pretty.

The next day William and I talked, and as you all know, agreed to go to counselling. When my mum called that day to see how things were I told her this. She was fine and was fine again the next day when we talked. She did ask if I had gotten Saoirse's passport back off of William. (Oh, I suppose this is vital to the story...I had given him her passport because I was quite sure he wouldn't actually use it. Even though he was saying he would.) I said no, and she said "You need to get it."

Everything was fine with her the next day (New Years Day) as well. But on Wednesday she called me and we were talking and she asks if I have the passport yet. No, I say. And fuck, did she go after me. "You have to get it and give it to me." I said that yes, I would get the passport, but that no, I most definitely would not give it to her. That would do my relationship absolutely no favours. And besides, I know he wouldn't take her. She then went on about how information I had been given by the RCMP was wrong and that William is not considered her father just because he signed some piece of paper. I said that of course he is, he is as much her father as I am her mother. She argued it with me "They are wrong! They don't know what they are talking about!" In this respect my mother is very much like William...she does not like to be wrong! She ended our conversation by saying that the next time this happens ("and if you don't think he is going to take her, Emma, then you are living in a fantasy, because one day he will take that child.") and I had better not coming crying to her the next time it happens.

So much for maternal support. I had already apologized to her the day after the fight, for involving her but said that I was glad I had her to turn to. I didn't realize that she would only support me if I did exactly as she said. And that's the thing with my mother, she has to have things her way. I totally understand where she is coming from. I would not like my daughters to be in a relationship like mine can sometimes be, but I think my mum also has to look at the good...she knows William is a great dad to all 4 kids, she knows that generally he has made me very happy. She tends to forget that he has given her a hand quite a few times. This is my mother though. Bitter. I don't think she will ever forgive him, and I am not sure how long it will before she talks to me again. This is the same woman who informed me that if my father came to an event for my children she would not be there. Like I said, bitter. 13 years later and she still hates him.

So I've not talked to her since that day, except for when I answered the phone the next day and she said in her hoity toity but pissed off voice "Is Taylor there?" I was a bit shocked. I was all excited when I saw her number, as I was going to tell her I had just enrolled Saoirse in ballet. I never realized how I depended on talking to her every day. I have so much to tell her. Like the fact that Taylor got her period! Yes, people, my daughter is a woman now. I cried when I put the panties in the washing machine. Too much info? Sorry! But it was a big moment. And I really would have liked to have shared it with my mum.

27 comments:

Beccy said...

I think it is only natural to want to talk to and share things with your mother, after all they're the one person we should be able to rely on to be fighting our corner at all times. I hope you get things back on track with your mum soon.

ChrisB said...

I do hope you are able to sort things out with your mum soon. I'm sure she reacted like this because of her concern about Saoirse. I know how protective I feel towards my daughters and grandchildren if I feel they are being threatened. It's sometimes hard to be supportive without interfering and being judgmental. I bet she wants to make up!

Anonymous said...

I also bet your Mum wants to make up with you. If it were me, I'd be alllll about getting Saoirse's passport back. Quick like.

I went through sheer hell once when my ex held my daughter's passport and hid her from me for two weeks (she was two years old at the time and thought I'd abandoned her). I thought I'd never see her again at one point and was beside myself - outta my mind with worry.

I was lucky, though. Because she could have ended up in Africa, Europe - anywhere and I wouldn't have known! The British Embassy (in Washington) was so helpful-- they cancelled the passport so she couldn't be taken from the country.

He gave up once he realised he couldn't actually take her anywhere. I think the fact that she dumped a bottle of ketchup all over his brand new [cream] sofa {I STILL laugh at this!}, and pee'd on his new car[seat] might have had something to do with his decision. Plus, the fact he really couldn't take her anywhere....

Anyway...word of caution, Emma;). Listen to your Mum on the passport issue. Trust me - it's not worth the possible hell of losing your child. And you never know what someone's capable of if they feel rejection is looming.

Take care xoxoxoxoxoxo

Alix said...

I hope you sort things out with your Mum soon and are able to tell her all your exciting news. I am sure she is missing you as much as your missing her.

Anonymous said...

I'm agree with Alix. You know she's just stewing and hoping you'll call her, because she misses talking to you, too. I hope it all works out.

Emily said...

I'm sorry about all of this Emma. The only advice I know to give is do what you can to make up with your mom, even if it means you have to be the "bigger person" cause life is too short to be on the outs with someone you love. Hope things get better soon =)

Boliath said...

Ok so...
1. What do you know to say about the house? Tell me tell me PLEASE!
2. Call your Mum & make up. You know she's mad at you for not doing what she thinks is best, you know she has your interests at heart and she loves you and she would be so thrilled to know Taylors news, call her honey, tell her you miss her and you love her.
3. Get the passport, put it in a safe deposit box that needs both of your permission to open. Do it and do it today, seriously. Get all of the passports and put them there, trust me losing a passport is a pain in the ass. But knowing the anger monster as I do, I also advise you to tread carefully, if it will spark another blow up leave it for a day or two but get it, it's too dangerous, you know it and your Mum does too. She's afraid, she doesn't trust William as much as you do. So get all of the family passports and put them somewhere safe. In the US, you cannot travel with a child under 14 without both parents consent, it's a damn good law imo.

Anonymous said...

I know that with Little Man, I can't get into Canada by myself without a notarized letter from Sweetie Pie that says that he's aware that I'm taking our son out of the country from this date to this date. I would think Australia is the same way.

As far as talking to moms, well my mother is the same way. I would never talk to her about leaving Sweetie Pie, because I know that it would bias her forever against him and things would never be back to normal. On that front, your mom sounds like mine. She'll give you advice, but if you don't follow it, then...

Could you send your mom an email? Tell her you miss her and tell her the news you've been dying to tell her? And then ask her to call you? Might be easier to say what you want that way...

Betsy Mae said...

It must be hard for parents to be 'there' for their children when it comes to marital issues...to be able to forgive and forget after the air is cleared between their child and spouse. I totally understand how you feel...I've been there myself. I don't know if you care for advice so ignore this is you aren't interested but I say move on with your mom...just call her up and tell her about Taylor's newest experience, she will want to hear it too I'm sure. It's bitterness as you say, but pride too right? I say teach her how to move on by moving on with her. One day your Mom and William might have the best of relationships (my husband and parents do) once things are worked out for the two of you.
As for the passport, as much as it's not her business she's probably just scared and worried for you, trying to be a Mommy to her little girl...trying to fix what she thinks is wrong. Good Luck...you have lots of stress in your life, push on and go at it one minute at a time...you can do it!!!

Debbie said...

Well, I don't have anything intelligent to say. It SUCKS that you're going through a hard time with William. And it SUCKS that you and your mom aren't getting along.

It's interesting that the two of them are alike. Funny how we're drawn to a spouse that is so like the parent we have the most issues with. Adrian is a lot like my mom, although he'd never admit it. And nor would she for that matter.

I'm sure you know that your mom is just very concerned for you. She doesn't have the skills, perhaps, to show you in the best way.

Oh!! And I totally hear ya on not dragging the parents into our marital issues. I don't like to get them involved in our arguments either, but it can be a challenge some days.

All the best, Emma. You got some good advice here re:the passports. I like the safety deposit idea. Neutral ground.

Sandy said...

Sorry it's bad with your mom right now...actually, sorry it's bad everywhere right now.

I don't have any words of wisdom. My daughter and I talk to each other every single day, at least once.

My mom and I have not spoken in 22 years. I miss her every day.

Amy W said...

I too talk to my Mom daily, but I hate it when she gets in my business.

I hope you guys can reconcile soon.

Bren said...

Oh, Emma, my heart goes out to you. I learned the hard way as well to leave my family out of my marital problems. It's a tough place to be in.

I think catwoman's suggestion of emailing your mom is a good one, if you think she'd be receptive to it. She's also right about the notarized letter for children to leave the country. We flew to Cozumel with my SIL and her children a few years ago and she had to have one since their father was not accompanying them.

Rachel (Crazy-Is) said...

I am sorry that things are not good between you and your mom. My mom is not like that so I really don't know what to tell you. I am happy that you and William are getting counseling. And your mom should be too, but, I know you can kind of understand, she's your mom and just wants what she thinks is best. I would hate not being able to talk to my mom everyday.

And, yay for Taylor!!

Julie said...

Sorry your mom didn't support you like you had hoped. I just tend to not involve my mother in my business - for fear she'll drive me crazy over it.

Wow Taylor - a woman now! I fear that day with my own girls.

frannie said...

I am sorry that your mum is not supporting you in the way that you need. I hope that you two can work it out! :(

That Chick Over There said...

I'm sorry. It really sucks when you don't get the support you need. I know that feeling all too well. :(

Tonya said...

Oh Emma, so sorry you having to deal with this and then geting your mum involved with her behaving like this.. I hope she calms down and see's things your way and you are back on speaking terms with her!

OMG about Taylor.. a woman now, how scary..lol I hope we get to see some ballet pics from Saoirse!!

Chastity said...

I'm so sorry about the situation with your mom. When my parents were first married, my mom used to run to my grandmother every time she and my dad would get in an argument. This caused some ill will between my grandparents and my dad, and it didn't end until about two years ago...that's 27 years. Involving parents in marital disputes just seems to cause problems, I guess b/c we don't want our kids to hurt. Anyway, I'm sorr you had to go through this, and I hope it all gets smoothed over much sooner than it did in my family.

Oh, and your daughter started her period..that's HUGE!

random_mommy said...

I hope your mom is just trying to protect you... at least then she's thinking about you and your kids.

Squishy Tushy said...

OMG... Call your mother & work it out! She's your mother & is more than likely just worried for you, and for your kids & your ultimate happiness.

BS said...

I try to stay out of my boys "martial issues" as much as possible - only if they come to me and then I keep it in confidence unless they bring up the subject. I wish I had confided in my Mom more when I was dealing with issues so many years ago - but I don't really know how she would have reacted - so I kept them to myself until I couldn't any more and by then the marriage was over and nothing could be done to try and fix it. Good Luck with all your efforts and I hope the results turn out good.

Anonymous said...

What is done, is done. I have been going with this one for awhile. Sometimes to go on, is just to learn from your mistakes and go on. I think the safety deposit box is a great idea, so neither of you are holding the passports. You already indicated you shouldn't have called her when you did, and she is upset with you due to her bitterness. Neither of those will change (she hasn't changed in 13 years) so just go forward. Call her up and talk to her like nothing has happened. If she brings up the passport, assure her you have taken care of it and she need not be concerned nor does she need to bring it up. If you have put it in a safe deposit box, share that with her; if you have not done it yet, she need not know, but I think it would be wise to be in a safe position for both of you, should something unforeseen (mental illness, depression, severe anger, bitterness) play out and he end up taking her.

Good luck with all this and I hope it goes smoothly.

CPA Mom said...

Sorry to see I'm not the only one with bad family relations! (((HUGS))) to you.

Hey, I'm reading

http://www.amazon.com/Forced-Be-Family-Infuriating-Laws/dp/0470049995/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199984639&sr=8-1

It's helping my peace of mind a little.

Joy T. said...

I'm sticking by my word of not giving advice so I'll just say your mom and you seem very very close, which tells me things will work out in the end and two heads shall prevail.

my4kids said...

My mother can be that way also. It's very frustrating. She wants to be right all the time and if things aren't done the way she want's, well it's not right of course. Although I love to talk to my mom when she is not being that way. I'm sorry it has been that way and I hope she comes around soon.
And the period thing? Scares me so about the girls someday. My neices both started right after they turned 10 which is next year for Kenzie and I am so hoping she doesn't for several more years!

M said...

Oh honey I'm so sorry. I'm hoping in the YEARS since you wrote this it's been sorted out.

And...EEEEEEEEEP!!! Grown up woman girl! GAH!!!