My daughter, the oldest of my 4 children, told William she has been having suicidal thoughts for the last month.
I know. That's what I said too.
I'm not sure how to take this. I know that she has been having a very hard time lately. Her dad is very ill, she and I have been clashing constantly, she is going downhill in school. We won't even talk about the dreaded IB project, which ended up as a huge bone of contention.
My first thought was that this was a cry for attention. As a teenager, with 2 much younger sisters and a brother with learning disabilites, it appears as though she comes last on the list of "Kids who need our attention." And yet, the reality is that as a teenager, she probably needs it more than ever.
I have always said that Taylor appears depressed to me, from the time she was about four. My family doctor at the time just brushed it off with his infamous quote of "It's a parenting issue." I fully admit to not being the perfect mother, far from it actually. But surely I am not such an awful mother that I would lead a child to suicide?
She said this to William last night, after we did our hospital trade off and he came home. Before I had left, I had asked her and Liam to do a bit of cleaning...Liam was to do the few dishes in the sink and sweep, Taylor was to vacuum and take out the garbage and recycling. As I was getting ready to go out she sat down at the computer. Now, the computer has become a HUGE issue. She gets on it the moment she walks in the door and is on it off and on throughout the night. You ask her to get off, and it takes her forever. So, she sat at the computer and I said "No way!" and went to grab it. I picked it up and she freaked. "You can't take it! I bought it!" Yes, she did buy it. But this is my house, and my rules override her ownership of the things inside it. She was trying to grab it off of me and I was trying to get out the door. She ended up yelling "I'm not going to do anything! I'm just staying upstairs!" and ran up the stairs crying. My friend was standing there during all this and I said to her afterwards that I thought Taylor was about to hit me. She had thought the same.
William ended up taking the computer back home with him, but didn't let her use it. He said that he was quite upset with them when he got in, for other than the dishes nothing was done. This is when she said it to him.
Which made me say "Is she using this to get out of doing things?"
I thought this even more when this afternoon I had to ask her twice to get off the computer to spend 10 minutes cleaning her room. The third time I said "Are you ever going to go do your room?" it was because I could see her shadow as she was dancing in the kitchen. She got upset, said "This is why I feel the way I do!" and started running up the stairs. I said "What do you mean by that?" And she said "If William didn't tell you I am not going to!"
So, I'm sorry, but she wants to kill herself because I require that she accept some responsibility as a member of this family and actually spend 10 minutes cleaning? She wants to kill herself because for years I have let her get away with doing absolutely fucking nothing and now that she is required to help out she doesn't want to? She is using suicidial thoughts as an excuse to get out of household chores?
And in my head I know that this can not be so. I know that there has to be way more going on with her. And yet a part of me wonders, is she really that manipulative of a child? I don't know. I really don't know.
I thought that things would be so much easier once she turned 13. I remember my teen years like they were yesterday and so I thought that I would be much more understanding of her. But guess what? The teenage Taylor is not the same as teenage Emma. I never would have talked back to my mum (at 34 I still don't talk back to my mum, I just bitch after I get off the phone), I never had the smarts she has, or the confidence she exudes. And yet, she must be sad. And I was a sad teenager. I had thoughts of suicide, but even at 14, I could tell you they were only for attention only ("Wouldn't so and so feel awful if I killed myself?") and that I would have no idea what sort of attention my death received if I was actually dead.
I'm calling for counselling tomorrow for her, not for the first time. Previously, I was told I needed a notarized letter of permission from her father. Well, waiting for him to get it together and do that was a long wait. I don't think he even understood what I was asking of him. This time I am just going to have to say that I'm not so sure we have time to wait and hope that they are willing to accept that.
15 May, 2008
A post about suicidal thoughts...not a fun one at all.
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Teenage years are so difficult for everyone. I think you have made the right decision to get support. Hope you manage to get the counselling and that it helps.
Oh, Emma, what a thing to come home to.
I hope you can get Taylor into the counselling soon and that it helps her.
Thinking of you all.
I definitely think that you are right about getting her into counseling. Even if she wasn't serious there is obviously something going on to make her say that. I remember going through something similar with my little sister when she was this age. She was 13, I was 23, she has slept over my house one night and had left a notebook with a suicide letter in it.
I'm so sorry Emma what a thing to be going through. I hope the counselling helps you all.
Thinking of you.
I definitely think she needs a therapist. Yes, she could be doing it for attention, but the fact that she would choose this avenue for that means that the therapy probably is a good idea. She probably isn't honestly contemplating suicide, but this is most definitely a "better safe than sorry" kind of situation.
It also sounds like she needs some structure to her evenings. I understand that she purchased the computer with her own money, but just like video games, hand helds, etc, parents have the right to take them away at a moment's notice. If it were me, I would sit her and her brother down and have a long talk with them about responsibilities. They live in the house, so they should share in the household duties. Maybe you could give them a weekly chore chart. If they do their chores, THEN they get to do whatever it is that they enjoy...in her case playing on the computer. Even then, I still think it should be for a limited time each day.
I have a MySpace account, and several of my former students, who are your daughter's age, are my "friends" on there...and some of them are on there ALL THE TIME. I don't think they do anything else...and I wonder where their parents are??
Obviously, this is all just advice. I don't have a teenager of my own, but I've just had parent conferences with SO MANY who are dealing with exactly what you're going through right now.
Oh Emma, I was suicidal too - from about age 12 to 30! It took having kids to get me to see I had to think of someone other than myself. That age, we are so selfish, all we think about is OUR hurt, and OUR pain. She could have a chemical imbalance as well - I do so all the talking in the world wasn't going to fix those thoughts without medication. You are SO right to get her in therapy ASAP so she can get treated. I wish my mom had taken me in. I was in college before I took MYSELF in and I cry for all those wasted years. Big HUGS to you!
Tough one. As a mother of a teen girl, I can definitely relate! Part of you wants to blame dramatics and the other part is worried as hell.
Counseling is a good idea- lie if you have to just to get her in. Counselors have seen more than you and I put together and will have more insight into the whole situation.
Praying for you all.
Emma, honey, I am so so sorry to hear this. I definitely think this is a cry for attention. And she could be using it to keep from doing things, but I think underneath something must be going on and I am so glad that you are taking her seriously. My brother had problems like this when he was about 14 or so, maybe a bit older and he was finally diagonosed with bi-polar disorder and got the meds he needed.
Being a teenager is hard, you know that. It was hard for us, but things are so different now in the world, that I can imagine it's even harder.
I hope that some counseling is all that Taylor needs and that it helps all of you.
I was going to suggest conselling too. That's so hard, and it's even harder when you're dealing with a child in the hospital (I haven't been visiting blogs all week, so I'm sorry I just found out about Saorise!!!).
Isn't it amazing that so much drama can come from asking them to do a few chores? Years from now, she'll realize how good she had it at your house, when she has to do almost everything when she's living alone...
I counsel teens. This is a hard situation for you to be in to say the least. Damn, I feel for you. Get her to counseling ASAP, and as far as his signature, can you lie and say that you don't know where he is or that he has no custody? Something.
Oh, Emma, first the hospital now this? I hope the counselors get to the root of her anger/depression. Good luck.
Emma, what a shit week you've had! I think you and William are doing the right thing by going to counseling. I see though that the counselor wants to see you both first before Taylor. I'm sort of surprised - seeing as how she's said she's having suicidal thoughts. Anyhow, I hope it's just her being a drama queen but I'm glad you're treating it as serious.
You are a good Mum, Emma, stop thinking you're not. Seems like, whether she's serious or not, she's looking for attention and you're the one she wants it from. You have so much on your plate sweetie, this is the last thing you need but teenagers do stupid things without understanding the consequences so you have to step this up and get her (and you?) into counseling asap. This is beyond my realm hon, just sending support your way and hoping things calm down for you soon xx
Thinking of you x
Emma, don't beat yourself up. It sounds like she's latched onto this, without really understanding how serious a threat it is. Obviously, it's difficult to sit back and do nothing.
On the one hand, if you get counselling -- it might help.
Otoh, it may just end up adding fuel to the fire of attention.
Only you, as her mother, really know her well enough to have an inkling if she's seriously needing help, or a swift kick up the backside.
I'll keep you and Taylor in my prayers;).
xoxoxo
In the meantime, if you need to bend an ear, you know where to find me;).
Whoa. Pretty serious stuff to be playing with if she's using this as a way to get attention. I have three children and I tell everyone I know the teen years were by far the worst. 15 to be exact. All three of mine hit 15 and it was something. Then at about 16 a lightbulb went off and they seemed to 'get it'. This young adult age is very very hard. Stand your ground Emma. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking a child to help out around the house. You're a super mom and you will get through this!
Hi Emma,
Thanks for your comment on my blog, what a small world that you knew Kayla... further reinforces the whole 6 degrees of separation theory!
I want to tell you about what I consider to be an amazing story. Kayla had cancer for two years, she fought hard to beat it every day. Here was a girl, so full of promise and hope for the future, yet in spite of her courage and determination, she lost that battle. She did not accept that she would die, until only a few days before she passed away. We have since heard from the Principal at Holy Trinity, That two students have approached her, separately. Both of them told her that they had been contemplating suicide, but after seeing how hard Kayla fought to live, they reconsidered. And they are now recieving the help they need. If Kaylas passing has helped these other children, then she did not die in vain. My thoughts are with you and your family as you seek how to help your daughter.
I enjoyed your blog and I will be back again.
There's way too much piled on your plate right now. Good luck working through everything.
My philosophy, as someone who was hospitalized for attempting suicide, is that if they are willing to think about ending their life as a means of attention; give it to them!
And I can tell you that I remember feeling and saying things that trivial (and manipulative) but I did try and go through with my threats (and more than once).
Good luck. *hugs*
that is such a difficult situation.
I think that seeking counseling is the best thing for her.
I wish you all the luck and speed with this.
If she's said it it's good to take it seriously. Yes it may only be for attention but than it may not. I'm glad you made the decision to take her to counselling. Big hugs to you!!!
Penney
I have nothing... although if I did, I would totally echo Penney's advice. (Personally, I think it's a cry for attention and I highly doubt she's really suicidal - cuz if she were, would she be so quick to say so when asked to do the thing she dreads most?)
In any case, I'm going to have to turn the matter over to my mother... Stay tuned...
I think you are wise to pursue counselling. It may be a manipulation, but if you didn't take it seriously, teens are not always thinking straight and sometimes choose a way to prove their point.
A family doctor may be able to help as well. When I took C to our family doctor a couple years in a row and asked her to be tested for things like low grade infection and energy things, he actually questioned her about feelings of sadness and such. C is normally a hard working, easy going kid, but there were a number of years she would go through something for a month or so and would cry every time I asked her to do her regular chores. It was the oddest thing and the crying would be a heart broken, "I just can't get up and do it, I am sooo... tired" sounding cry. This happened between the ages of 6 and 11. The doctor couldn't find anything with blood tests, so I figured out a couple of things. I put her on vitamin B complex at night, vitamin D and calcium and vitamin C. That seemed to eliminate the problem and at 12 and 13 she has not gone through that.
I am not saying that is the problem with Taylor and I definitely think you should pursue the counselling, but as someone above said, it could be an imbalance and you may have to have meds to balance it or you may have to figure out if she is getting too much sugar or has intolerances to foods or is lacking nutrients or even if it is an allergy to something that causes a lack of sleep so she has no energy and can seem to function beyond the computer. The possibilities are endless and medical professionals and counsellors can narrow it down.
Good luck with finding out the problem. My prayers are with you.
I've been trying to come up with some Motherly advise that will solve the problem, I came to the conclusion that there is no quick fix. First of all I would switch Doctors, ASAP!! "It's a parenting issue"?? I'm not sure what that means. I know that when a person finally reaches out for help they expect more than that.
I read all the above comments, and it sounds like a teenager contemplating suicide isn't all that rare, but I would take it very seriously.
Now........if it was either one of my daughters who threatened suicide every time I asked them to help out, and after I made sure that she wasn't clinically depressed, this is what I would do, bear in mind that this could backfire, here goes....I would tell her that I love her too much to see her so depressed and tell her that for her own safety I've decided to have her committed to an institution for mentally disturbed teenagers. Good Luck.
Hell, what a week you've had. I'm sorry about all that's going on, I hope it's an attention thing, but nonetheless, should be taken seriously, the fact she said it means something. I'm hoping that Saoirse is feeling better too. Take care girl.
I so don't know anything about teenagers. I have a daughter that will be 13 in August and she does that same thing when I ask her to get off the computer or do something. It takes her forever IF she even does anything.
Cleaning - forget it. I don't even think the word is in my daughter's vocabulary.
I have been on antidepressants since age 26 and when I think back, I see signs that I needed them in college and even highschool. Therapy is a great start. even if she is using it as an excuse, she can talk about the way she hates you with someone else, lol, and then get it off her chest. But it sounds like you might need to spend some one on one time with her in a positive manner too. so hard, this parenting thing.
Gotta tell you, my mother did indeed often threatened to have me committed (that, and to work on a kibbutz in Israel where they'd make me pick cotton at 6:00 am... ) and really? It worked wonders in straightening my ass up.
Had I known, however, that kibbutz's actually have pools and zoos and are quite gorgeous I probably would have taken here up on it.
ugh. sorry Emma. keep us updated.
Sorry to hear about how Taylor is doing. That is such a hard thing to try to figure out. I don't understand why you need a notarized letter from her father though? That must be a Canada thing? I think you are doing the right thing though to try and get her in without, even if it ends up she is using it to manipulate you. It's a very serious thing to say.
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